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Post  fatboblatch on Sat 21 Jan 2012, 5:48 pm

Drenthe is really doing my head in.....I think we seriously need to worry about relegation, we can't play our way to a win so we will have to fight, dogs of war etc, long balls a la Stoke....can't see us getting anything any other way and Moyes know this stating if we get to 7th/8th it will be his greatest achievement....he knows this is the weakest side he has ever had under his leadership....
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Post  Dixie Land on Sat 21 Jan 2012, 7:43 pm

fatboblatch wrote:Drenthe is really doing my head in.....I think we seriously need to worry about relegation, we can't play our way to a win so we will have to fight, dogs of war etc, long balls a la Stoke....can't see us getting anything any other way and Moyes know this stating if we get to 7th/8th it will be his greatest achievement....he knows this is the weakest side he has ever had under his leadership....

I thought Drenthe was amazing when he first signed but now I really do not care if he stays or goes. He can really be a liability at times.

I seriously think that we have a very good squad still when fully fit. Players like Baines, Fellaini, Jagielka, Donovan, Rodwell and Distin are excellent players but we just aren't playing as a team. I also worry about the ages of some of our better players.

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Post  The President on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 8:50 am

Gutted really really gutted Sad

I hate that money has ruined football but if we don't get some and spend some soon and very very soon we have had it. Sad Sad
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Post  Armchair on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 9:38 am

The President wrote:Gutted really really gutted Sad

I hate that money has ruined football but if we don't get some and spend some soon and very very soon we have had it. Sad Sad

I don't think yesterday was about money Pres, it was about attitude. Blackburn haven't spent much recently but they clearly wanted to win more than we did. We seem to have gone from a team playing ok but not getting results to a team playing badly and not getting results. We really miss Ossie.
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Post  Bryan on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 10:32 am

Should have won, Duffy against the bar & Felli off the line.

Less of the mass hysteria, whilst some concern is valid.

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Post  Dixie Land on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 10:39 am

Bryan wrote:Should have won, Duffy against the bar & Felli off the line.

Less of the mass hysteria, whilst some concern is valid.

I agree Bryan. We did create some chances in the game and could have scored another 3 in the last 10 mins. Some players do really concern me but we aren't as bad as a lot of people are making out.
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Post  Armchair on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 11:51 am

Dixie Land wrote:
Bryan wrote:Should have won, Duffy against the bar & Felli off the line.

Less of the mass hysteria, whilst some concern is valid.

I agree Bryan. We did create some chances in the game and could have scored another 3 in the last 10 mins. Some players do really concern me but we aren't as bad as a lot of people are making out.

We were out-played by Blackburn for large parts of the game No
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Post  Dixie Land on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 12:03 pm

Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Dixie Land wrote:
Bryan wrote:Should have won, Duffy against the bar & Felli off the line.

Less of the mass hysteria, whilst some concern is valid.

I agree Bryan. We did create some chances in the game and could have scored another 3 in the last 10 mins. Some players do really concern me but we aren't as bad as a lot of people are making out.

We were out-played by Blackburn for large parts of the game No

I didn't really see it like that to be honest. I thought both sides were total shite for much of the game and Hoillet had a few runs that wouldn't have happened if our 2 first choice centre halves weren't injured. It was the lack of commitment that worried me as we should have been able to beat Blackburn easily.
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Post  TD's Powder of Sympathy on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 12:49 pm

We lack composure. We get some good football going & then the final pass is awry or someone isn't on the end of it. When I'm sat in the ground watching I can see a move that SHOULD be leading to a goal - I can see the opponents back line in a mess - or midfield backing off - & Everton hitting 3-4 excellent passes & (I'm mentally calling out "goal" before the final pass) & then.. Saha isn't there or Victor skies an easy chance over the bar (or fails to lay it off) etc.

For my money who is worthy of their place this season:

Performing well: Osman, Victor (I spose), Fellaini (just about), Duffy, Vellios (seemingly)

Adequately or to standard: Hibbert, Baines, Heitinga, Jags (just about), Donovan, Distin, Howard, Rodwell, Royston (maybe), Denis (such as it is)

Below Par: Cahill, Neville, Gueye, Coleman

Stinking the house out: Billy, Saha

No comment: Barkley, Gibson, McFadden (too little evidence)

On that basis I'd want to select the following team (of those currently available)

Howard
Hibbert, Heitinga, Duffy, Baines
Donovan, Fellaini, Gibson (maybe), Drenthe (possibly)
Vellios, Victor

Something like that!


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Post  Michael Crosby S74 on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 1:02 pm

Drenthe is starting to piss me off.

Pass you greedy little shit.

The goal was his fault yesterday.

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Post  Dixie Land on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 1:10 pm

Toffee Dan wrote:We lack composure. We get some good football going & then the final pass is awry or someone isn't on the end of it. When I'm sat in the ground watching I can see a move that SHOULD be leading to a goal - I can see the opponents back line in a mess - or midfield backing off - & Everton hitting 3-4 excellent passes & (I'm mentally calling out "goal" before the final pass) & then.. Saha isn't there or Victor skies an easy chance over the bar (or fails to lay it off) etc.

For my money who is worthy of their place this season:

Performing well: Osman, Victor (I spose), Fellaini (just about), Duffy, Vellios (seemingly)

Adequately or to standard: Hibbert, Baines, Heitinga, Jags (just about), Donovan, Distin, Howard, Rodwell, Royston (maybe), Denis (such as it is)

Below Par: Cahill, Neville, Gueye, Coleman

Stinking the house out: Billy, Saha

No comment: Barkley, Gibson, McFadden (too little evidence)

On that basis I'd want to select the following team (of those currently available)

Howard
Hibbert, Heitinga, Duffy, Baines
Donovan, Fellaini, Gibson (maybe), Drenthe (possibly)
Vellios, Victor

Something like that!


I would agree with that assessment Dan.

I really do think it is time to drop Saha. I personally think that he should be our 3rd or 4th choice striker at the moment as I don't see what he is offering the side in his current form. He is not holding the ball up for the midfield to get involved, he isn't making good runs and (most of all) he is not scoring. I also think that we should be looking at other options rather than Cahill behind the striker as it hasn't worked at all this season.

I quite like the look of the midfield you have Dan and I do think that Gibson will get better when he settles, even though I don't think he will ever be a world beater. Hibbert has been good for most of this season and offers us more at the back, and even going forward, than Neville does currently.

Whatever happens, I think we all agree that Moyes needs to try something different. If he does or not remains to be seen.
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Post  Knight of Thorgothshire on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 2:24 pm

Dixie Land wrote:
Armchair Evertonian wrote:
Dixie Land wrote:
Bryan wrote:Should have won, Duffy against the bar & Felli off the line.

Less of the mass hysteria, whilst some concern is valid.

I agree Bryan. We did create some chances in the game and could have scored another 3 in the last 10 mins. Some players do really concern me but we aren't as bad as a lot of people are making out.

We were out-played by Blackburn for large parts of the game No

I didn't really see it like that to be honest. I thought both sides were total shite for much of the game and Hoillet had a few runs that wouldn't have happened if our 2 first choice centre halves weren't injured. It was the lack of commitment that worried me as we should have been able to beat Blackburn easily.
I'd have to go with Armchair on this one. BB were moving the ball around much better than what we did. I never saw any possession stats, but surely they must have had a larger share than us. Yes, we could have won the game in the last 5 minutes or so, but overall I felt that while neither team was spectacular, BB were at least as good as we were.

On top of that, the attitude they showed was much much better than ours. We were lacking movement all over the place, apart from Donovan who at least moves around and tries to create stuff. I thought Gibson was a massive disappointment. If he's to be a central midfielder, he must put in the effort and make himself available for the pass. I felt he was doing neither of those.

Overall, another lack luster performance by us which really could have ended with a win just as well as a loss. In the end a draw was probably fair. If I was a BB fan a loss would have felt unjust.
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Post  Statman on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 3:50 pm

I'm usually a pint half full type of supporter but these are worrying times.

When we play at home I usually expect us to go one down then get an equaliser late on.

If we go ahead then I have little confidence that we will keep the lead.

Gibson - I only saw the highlights on Match of the Day and apart from one clearance from our box all I saw was him standing outside of our box while play was going on in front and behind him. It was almost as if he had been told to stand around the 'D'. That would be OK when we are attacking (chance of a pot shot) but not when we are defending.
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Post  RhinoJagz on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 4:49 pm

Statman wrote:I'm usually a pint half full type of supporter but these are worrying times.

When we play at home I usually expect us to go one down then get an equaliser late on.

If we go ahead then I have little confidence that we will keep the lead.

Gibson - I only saw the highlights on Match of the Day and apart from one clearance from our box all I saw was him standing outside of our box while play was going on in front and behind him. It was almost as if he had been told to stand around the 'D'. That would be OK when we are attacking (chance of a pot shot) but not when we are defending.

Thats his big problem; positional sense. Never really gave Felly and option for a pass often enough. Too often, stuck to a Blackburn midfielder and no urgency to make things happen.

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Post  Sack the Juggler on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 5:22 pm

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Statman wrote:I'm usually a pint half full type of supporter but these are worrying times.

When we play at home I usually expect us to go one down then get an equaliser late on.

If we go ahead then I have little confidence that we will keep the lead.

Gibson - I only saw the highlights on Match of the Day and apart from one clearance from our box all I saw was him standing outside of our box while play was going on in front and behind him. It was almost as if he had been told to stand around the 'D'. That would be OK when we are attacking (chance of a pot shot) but not when we are defending.

Thats his big problem; positional sense. Never really gave Felly and option for a pass often enough. Too often, stuck to a Blackburn midfielder and no urgency to make things happen.

To be fair Keane admitted that was Blackburns game plan, to sit on Gibson and Fellaini - but we should have done better, not because Blackburn are fighting against relegation, but because we have better players than them... although you wouldn't think so - yes it was a bad day at the office, but we still got a point, however, we are having too many bad days at the office - we need to focus on defending from all over the park and attacking from all over the park - don't wait for someone else to cover or to go forward - move as a team, not as a lazy bunch o'fuckers.
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Post  RhinoJagz on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 5:31 pm

Sack the Juggler wrote:
Bluejags wrote:
Statman wrote:I'm usually a pint half full type of supporter but these are worrying times.

When we play at home I usually expect us to go one down then get an equaliser late on.

If we go ahead then I have little confidence that we will keep the lead.

Gibson - I only saw the highlights on Match of the Day and apart from one clearance from our box all I saw was him standing outside of our box while play was going on in front and behind him. It was almost as if he had been told to stand around the 'D'. That would be OK when we are attacking (chance of a pot shot) but not when we are defending.

Thats his big problem; positional sense. Never really gave Felly and option for a pass often enough. Too often, stuck to a Blackburn midfielder and no urgency to make things happen.

To be fair Keane admitted that was Blackburns game plan, to sit on Gibson and Fellaini - but we should have done better, not because Blackburn are fighting against relegation, but because we have better players than them... although you wouldn't think so - yes it was a bad day at the office, but we still got a point, however, we are having too many bad days at the office - we need to focus on defending from all over the park and attacking from all over the park - don't wait for someone else to cover or to go forward - move as a team, not as a lazy bunch o'fuckers.

Another problem is the constant chopping and changing at midfield due to injuries and from. I doubt we have had a settled functional midfield all season.

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Post  fatboblatch on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 6:05 pm

Bryan wrote:Should have won, Duffy against the bar & Felli off the line.

Less of the mass hysteria, whilst some concern is valid.

You could say the same about Blackburn, hit the post etc...they looked more dangerous, wanted it more...I don't think we are generally being hysterical, just a result of watching a match that has filled us with very little hope.
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Post  hairy cataract on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 6:25 pm

We're not very good. Moyes knows it, he seems to be playing out time this season. His only aim is to avoid relegation, then I think he'll consider it job done. If he has an ounce of self-worth and ambition he will leave in the summer, regardless of what the fans think. He should be looking at a club which will give him a few quid to spend and a proper shot at Europa qualification, the way Stoke did with Pulis and Sunderland have done with Bruce and now O'Neill. No point staying with us for another season of this. I would like him to get us to safety then fuck off personally and let another man have a go at trying to play some entertaining football at the very least. Nothing against Moyes, he's done brilliantly overall, just that it's over really isn't it?

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Post  RhinoJagz on Sun 22 Jan 2012, 8:42 pm

hairy cataract wrote:We're not very good. Moyes knows it, he seems to be playing out time this season. His only aim is to avoid relegation, then I think he'll consider it job done. If he has an ounce of self-worth and ambition he will leave in the summer, regardless of what the fans think. He should be looking at a club which will give him a few quid to spend and a proper shot at Europa qualification, the way Stoke did with Pulis and Sunderland have done with Bruce and now O'Neill. No point staying with us for another season of this. I would like him to get us to safety then fuck off personally and let another man have a go at trying to play some entertaining football at the very least. Nothing against Moyes, he's done brilliantly overall, just that it's over really isn't it?


In fairness I tend to agree. From Moyes perspective what can he do with us now? He can see the profile of the team is getting older, we have few good players at their peak and the rest is a sprinkle with youth and vague promise. He won't get any money for an overhaul so I too believe, that he is just trying and keep us up this year. We haven't put anyone to the sword this season, the players are playing with fear and a lack of drive, going through the motions really. Like you Hairy, no anti-Moyes histrionics, just a realization that the cycle is complete and we are at a dead in. Gibson is an honest signing, but as we saw yesterday he is no missing link. I think what we need now is a fresh start, a clear out of players with their best days behind them, i.e. Cahill, Saha, Neville etc. No bad feeling, just the dawn of reality. Bill, with a futile attempt, funded a decent team up to a few seasons ago, but you have to be better then decent to stay up there. Liverpool spunk 100m plus, and where are they? 7th! Without investment, the club will have to reinvent itself. Maybe that will take the energy of a new man to start the project. Moyes is a proud man. He can only look at the financial backing Spurs have got and sigh.

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