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Post  Made 4 Gwladys on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 1:57 pm

I'm going for a shit

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Post  hairy cataract on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 1:59 pm

I loved Martinez last season but this time round he's fucking clueless.

The last few minutes only underlined how badly the team is being set-up. We created loads of chances with quicker play, getting players in behind the defence, swinging decent crosses in. We spent the first 85 minutes pussying around sideways at no miles an hour.

Fuck off Bobby, you're sacked.
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Post  SEFTON on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 1:59 pm

Sack martini Very Happy
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Post  Knight of Thorgothshire on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 2:08 pm

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:I'm going for a shit

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I'm going back to bed.
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Post  Knight of Thorgothshire on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 2:09 pm

And I'm looking forward to Martinez post match comments....
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Post  Knight of Thorgothshire on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 2:09 pm

Stones injury update

Man Utd 2-1 Everton

We're hearing that John Stones sustained an ankle ligament injury at Old Trafford. No idea yet if that rules him out of the England squad.
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Post  Armchair on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 2:34 pm

I'm very glad I didn't bother to watch this.
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Post  mindyerEnvelopeMister? on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 2:39 pm

well I quite enjoyed some of that, until I came on here and realised I was obviously watching a different game.

Howards brain fart just before the second goal aside the defence at least looked like they knew each other. First goal just unlucky clearance. Baines lazy penalty, that needed Hibbo to whack it.
Nais MOM for us, De Gear for them
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Post  Sack the Juggler on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 2:54 pm

mindyerho? wrote:well I quite enjoyed some of that, until I came on here and realised I was obviously watching a different game.  

Howards brain fart just before the second goal aside the defence at least looked like they knew each other.  First goal just unlucky clearance. Baines lazy penalty, that needed Hibbo to whack it.
Nais MOM for us, De Gear for them
trouble is Martinez has said all all the goals against us this season are either unlucky or brain farts.

Last seasons we had the second tightest defence in the league, now we have the worst, that is not all down to bad luck and brain farts, its is down to a manager whose previous club got relegated because they could not defend.... we are heading the same way
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Post  Mr_Ben on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 3:30 pm

Watched the last 5 minutes then injury time.

Their keeper played a blinder. Great saves. We should have won it.



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Post  Knight of Thorgothshire on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 4:17 pm

mindyerho? wrote:well I quite enjoyed some of that, until I came on here and realised I was obviously watching a different game.  

Howards brain fart just before the second goal aside the defence at least looked like they knew each other.  First goal just unlucky clearance. Baines lazy penalty, that needed Hibbo to whack it.
Nais MOM for us, De Gear for them
Agree on both of those. It's amazing how much better Naismith is compared to Lukaku. Which one cost us £28M again?
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Post  Knight of Thorgothshire on Sun 05 Oct 2014, 4:36 pm

Everton manager Roberto Martinez to BBC Sport: "John Stones has an ankle ligament problem. It's too early to know the extent of it but it must be something serious for him to come off.
"We didn't switch off for United's second goal. Steven Pienaar was on the ground and needed to come off. The fourth official is well aware of this. I felt David De Gea made two world-class saves that stopped us getting a positive result.
"The margins are very small. We are not hiding from the fact want we should have more points. - we've dropped too many. We've played four of the top six this season but we're getting sharper and stronger. We have the international break now and we need to come back and start getting wins.

At least a hint of not being totally satisfied. And of course the margins are small, De Gea did make two fantastic saves towards the end, but we still lost. And that's what ultimately matters.
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Post  Sack the Juggler on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 9:47 am

good summary here, no excuses, we need to start winning.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/manchester-united-2-1-everton-fc-7887186


A missed penalty, refereeing decision and a few great saves deny the Blues a point - but is it time that Everton take matters into their own hands?

Small margins – that’s what Roberto Martinez reckons are chiefly behind his side’s alarming start to the season.

It’s one of football’s regular stock cliches in times of adversity to point out, correctly in this case, that such tiny factors are often decisive.

Yet small as they are, they are causing big problems for Everton FC .

Normal service was resumed as far as the Blues and Old Trafford are concerned yesterday.

They arrived trying to prove that last season’s historic first victory at Manchester United in 20 years was a corner turned, and departed with nothing but questions.

If Leighton Baines hadn’t failed to score his first Premier League penalty, would they have taken something more?

If referee Kevin Friend had halted play with Steven Pienaar injured in the second half would they have been spared Radamel Falcao’s winner?

And if David de Gea hadn’t made such sensational saves from Leon Osman and Bryan Oviedo near the end, might they have taken something tangible from this contrasting contest?

Small margins. But it’s about time Everton found a way of turning such things in their favour, rather than the increasingly familiar pattern of reflecting on fleeting but game-changing moments and their sizeable impact afterwards.

Last December when Oviedo’s goal secured that stirring triumph it was the second of a three-game fixture in the space of eight days.

The challenge 10 months later, in the midst of another busy glut of games, was to do it all over again.

It’s one thing reaching a certain level but it’s another staying there.

Martinez publicly insists his squad is strong enough to deal with the volume of games they must navigate this term, but the evidence so far suggests otherwise.

Make no mistake, the Blues were considerably disadvantaged by an injury situation which is becoming a crisis with John Stones’s late and costly setback to compound things.

But every club must deal with injuries. United were missing most of their first-choice back four and they still found a way to take the points.

One glance at the Toffees bench suggested precious little in an attacking sense to get very excited about, aside from Samuel Eto’o .

And when Everton needed some extra incision and punch up front, the veteran striker was left kicking his heels.

Is that another case of small margins? Martinez’s first change of the game was forced when he had to replace the injured Pienaar with Oviedo.

Perhaps he had factored in a point when he would use Eto’o and had to tear up the plan when injury flared.

Elsewhere, Tony Hibbert had a solid enough display to suggest he remains a passable option, defensively at least, when Seamus Coleman is out. But in Kevin Mirallas ’s place, Aiden McGeady was charged with providing some penetration and failed to deliver again. McGeady has more to do if he is to start convincing, but what of the man he was meant to be supplying with ammunition?

Romelu Lukaku is desperately short of form, but even with his considerable price tag, he can be forgiven that. What can’t be forgiven is the slightest evidence he is lacking application and desire. The Belgian appeared frustrated at times with the lack of service he received or options when he was on the ball. But there are question marks over his body language when things don’t go his way.

It’s not easy leading the line alone when you’re only 21, but then Lukaku was doing that for Anderlecht when he was 16 and he needs to start taking the fight to opponents.

Consider this – the Blues’ only shot on target in the first half was Baines’s unsuccessful spot-kick in time added on before the break.

When Lukaku did fashion an opening with a neat turn, his subsequent effort was lashed wildly over the bar.

Supporters, and indeed Martinez who pushed so hard for his significant purchase, are entitled to expect more.

Lukaku always seemed to shine that much more last season when Ross Barkley was behind him. The pair have a natural rapport which can’t be resumed quickly enough as far as Everton are concerned.

the fact is that we need to stop giving goals away, there is no other option, and the annoying thing is that it is in our own hands.

Last year our defence was still benefitting from the schooling Moyes gave them, this helped created the second best defence in the league.  

This year we are seeing the results of Martinez's defence schooling.  Which is ultimately what caused Wigan to be relegated, and make no mistake, Wigan wasn't relegated because they sold their best players, they were relegated because their defence was disorganised and woeful and shipping goals.... just as ours is at the moment!
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Post  SEFTON on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 11:18 am

Sack the Juggler wrote:good summary here, no excuses, we need to start winning.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/manchester-united-2-1-everton-fc-7887186


A missed penalty, refereeing decision and a few great saves deny the Blues a point - but is it time that Everton take matters into their own hands?

Small margins – that’s what Roberto Martinez reckons are chiefly behind his side’s alarming start to the season.

It’s one of football’s regular stock cliches in times of adversity to point out, correctly in this case, that such tiny factors are often decisive.

Yet small as they are, they are causing big problems for Everton FC .

Normal service was resumed as far as the Blues and Old Trafford are concerned yesterday.

They arrived trying to prove that last season’s historic first victory at Manchester United in 20 years was a corner turned, and departed with nothing but questions.

If Leighton Baines hadn’t failed to score his first Premier League penalty, would they have taken something more?

If referee Kevin Friend had halted play with Steven Pienaar injured in the second half would they have been spared Radamel Falcao’s winner?

And if David de Gea hadn’t made such sensational saves from Leon Osman and Bryan Oviedo near the end, might they have taken something tangible from this contrasting contest?

Small margins. But it’s about time Everton found a way of turning such things in their favour, rather than the increasingly familiar pattern of reflecting on fleeting but game-changing moments and their sizeable impact afterwards.

Last December when Oviedo’s goal secured that stirring triumph it was the second of a three-game fixture in the space of eight days.

The challenge 10 months later, in the midst of another busy glut of games, was to do it all over again.

It’s one thing reaching a certain level but it’s another staying there.

Martinez publicly insists his squad is strong enough to deal with the volume of games they must navigate this term, but the evidence so far suggests otherwise.

Make no mistake, the Blues were considerably disadvantaged by an injury situation which is becoming a crisis with John Stones’s late and costly setback to compound things.

But every club must deal with injuries. United were missing most of their first-choice back four and they still found a way to take the points.

One glance at the Toffees bench suggested precious little in an attacking sense to get very excited about, aside from Samuel Eto’o .

And when Everton needed some extra incision and punch up front, the veteran striker was left kicking his heels.

Is that another case of small margins? Martinez’s first change of the game was forced when he had to replace the injured Pienaar with Oviedo.

Perhaps he had factored in a point when he would use Eto’o and had to tear up the plan when injury flared.

Elsewhere, Tony Hibbert had a solid enough display to suggest he remains a passable option, defensively at least, when Seamus Coleman is out. But in Kevin Mirallas ’s place, Aiden McGeady was charged with providing some penetration and failed to deliver again. McGeady has more to do if he is to start convincing, but what of the man he was meant to be supplying with ammunition?

Romelu Lukaku is desperately short of form, but even with his considerable price tag, he can be forgiven that. What can’t be forgiven is the slightest evidence he is lacking application and desire. The Belgian appeared frustrated at times with the lack of service he received or options when he was on the ball. But there are question marks over his body language when things don’t go his way.

It’s not easy leading the line alone when you’re only 21, but then Lukaku was doing that for Anderlecht when he was 16 and he needs to start taking the fight to opponents.

Consider this – the Blues’ only shot on target in the first half was Baines’s unsuccessful spot-kick in time added on before the break.

When Lukaku did fashion an opening with a neat turn, his subsequent effort was lashed wildly over the bar.

Supporters, and indeed Martinez who pushed so hard for his significant purchase, are entitled to expect more.

Lukaku always seemed to shine that much more last season when Ross Barkley was behind him. The pair have a natural rapport which can’t be resumed quickly enough as far as Everton are concerned.

the fact is that we need to stop giving goals away, there is no other option, and the annoying thing is that it is in our own hands.

Last year our defence was still benefitting from the schooling Moyes gave them, this helped created the second best defence in the league.  

This year we are seeing the results of Martinez's defence schooling.  Which is ultimately what caused Wigan to be relegated, and make no mistake, Wigan wasn't relegated because they sold their best players, they were relegated because their defence was disorganised and woeful and shipping goals.... just as ours is at the moment!



The way I see it, we haven't been able to field are best eleven players yet. put in the mix we have played Chelsea-Arsenal-Man U - Shyte out of 7 games so far.as well as a 5000 mile round trip to Russia, a convenient 12-00pm kick off on a Sunday to suit the mancs. won't see many of them.

Injury's to Coleman- McCarthy-Barkley-Mirallas-Pienaar have left us a bit thin on the ground. now John Stones injured for a few weeks,
Are season to start in November. we will be flying. lets hope that's the end of our poor run. cheers
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Post  Sack the Juggler on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 12:38 pm

POLLYANNA wrote:

The way I see it, we haven't been able to field are best eleven players yet. put in the mix we have played Chelsea-Arsenal-Man U - Shyte out of 7 games so far.as well as a 5000 mile round trip to Russia, a convenient 12-00pm kick off on a Sunday to suit the mancs. won't see many of them.

Injury's to Coleman- McCarthy-Barkley-Mirallas-Pienaar have left us a bit thin on the ground. now John Stones injured for a few weeks,
Are season to start in November.  we will be flying. lets hope that's the end of our poor run. cheers

United couldn't field their starting back four, or their captain, but they still worked hard and got a win - whereas we couldn't / wouldn't - and its not a one off
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Post  SEFTON on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 1:16 pm

Sack the Juggler wrote:
POLLYANNA wrote:

The way I see it, we haven't been able to field are best eleven players yet. put in the mix we have played Chelsea-Arsenal-Man U - Shyte out of 7 games so far.as well as a 5000 mile round trip to Russia, a convenient 12-00pm kick off on a Sunday to suit the mancs. won't see many of them.

Injury's to Coleman- McCarthy-Barkley-Mirallas-Pienaar have left us a bit thin on the ground. now John Stones injured for a few weeks,
Are season to start in November.  we will be flying. lets hope that's the end of our poor run. cheers

United couldn't field their starting back four, or their captain, but they still worked hard and got a win - whereas we couldn't / wouldn't - and its not a one off


Never said it was a one off, United still had quality players in attack , How many players in United's team were over 30 ?

We had Howard-Hibbert-Jagielka-Barry-Pienaar-Osman and with both Eto'o & Distin
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Post  Yankthattoffee on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 1:25 pm

Sack the Juggler wrote:
POLLYANNA wrote:

The way I see it, we haven't been able to field are best eleven players yet. put in the mix we have played Chelsea-Arsenal-Man U - Shyte out of 7 games so far.as well as a 5000 mile round trip to Russia, a convenient 12-00pm kick off on a Sunday to suit the mancs. won't see many of them.

Injury's to Coleman- McCarthy-Barkley-Mirallas-Pienaar have left us a bit thin on the ground. now John Stones injured for a few weeks,
Are season to start in November.  we will be flying. lets hope that's the end of our poor run. cheers

United couldn't field their starting back four, or their captain, but they still worked hard and got a win - whereas we couldn't / wouldn't - and its not a one off
We had no bite until we had to go at them.
We faffed around in midfield, while United, as they have always been (except last season) were direct with every attack.
The Jags header, Ossie shot and the Oviedo effort were all too little to late, and while we would probably have put the ball out for Peanut laying on the floor, other teams to not. We have to wise up. Nice guys coming first is a rarity.
.....and where was Eto'o?
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Post  SEFTON on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 1:31 pm

Yankthattoffee wrote:
Sack the Juggler wrote:
POLLYANNA wrote:

The way I see it, we haven't been able to field are best eleven players yet. put in the mix we have played Chelsea-Arsenal-Man U - Shyte out of 7 games so far.as well as a 5000 mile round trip to Russia, a convenient 12-00pm kick off on a Sunday to suit the mancs. won't see many of them.

Injury's to Coleman- McCarthy-Barkley-Mirallas-Pienaar have left us a bit thin on the ground. now John Stones injured for a few weeks,
Are season to start in November.  we will be flying. lets hope that's the end of our poor run. cheers

United couldn't field their starting back four, or their captain, but they still worked hard and got a win - whereas we couldn't / wouldn't - and its not a one off
We had no bite until we had to go at them.
We faffed around in midfield, while United, as they have always been (except last season) were direct with every attack.
The Jags header, Ossie shot and the Oviedo effort were all too little to late, and while we would probably have put the ball out for Peanut laying on the floor, other teams to not.  We have to wise up. Nice guys coming first is a rarity.
.....and where was Eto'o?


Don't understand that one, were already lacking up front , Naismith gives his all but Lukaku gives f*ck all.
Eto'o was probably chomping at the bit to come on ,don't understand Martinez attacking mentality sometimes.
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Post  Statman on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 5:24 pm

Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:
Sack the Juggler wrote:
Knight of Thorgothshire wrote:That first half reminds me of a team which was relegated last season.... No
wigan.........
Ah, yeah, that one....

Technically it was the season before last.
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Post  Statman on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 5:27 pm

Made 4 Gwladys wrote:gimme a link you cunts

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Post  Knight of Thorgothshire on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 7:00 pm

Statman wrote:
Made 4 Gwladys wrote:gimme a link you cunts

I bet he regrets saying that based on what was on display.
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Post  Yankthattoffee on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 11:41 pm

POLLYANNA wrote:
Yankthattoffee wrote:
Sack the Juggler wrote:
POLLYANNA wrote:

The way I see it, we haven't been able to field are best eleven players yet. put in the mix we have played Chelsea-Arsenal-Man U - Shyte out of 7 games so far.as well as a 5000 mile round trip to Russia, a convenient 12-00pm kick off on a Sunday to suit the mancs. won't see many of them.

Injury's to Coleman- McCarthy-Barkley-Mirallas-Pienaar have left us a bit thin on the ground. now John Stones injured for a few weeks,
Are season to start in November.  we will be flying. lets hope that's the end of our poor run. cheers

United couldn't field their starting back four, or their captain, but they still worked hard and got a win - whereas we couldn't / wouldn't - and its not a one off
We had no bite until we had to go at them.
We faffed around in midfield, while United, as they have always been (except last season) were direct with every attack.
The Jags header, Ossie shot and the Oviedo effort were all too little to late, and while we would probably have put the ball out for Peanut laying on the floor, other teams to not.  We have to wise up. Nice guys coming first is a rarity.
.....and where was Eto'o?


Don't understand that one, were already lacking up front , Naismith gives his all but Lukaku gives f*ck all.
Eto'o was probably chomping at the bit to come on ,don't understand Martinez attacking mentality sometimes.
Why give one of the best strikers in Europe a 2 year contract, and barely give him a game?
Unless Eto'o has some kind of agreement to play in all Europa games?
btw , where Kone?
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Post  Sack the Juggler on Tue 07 Oct 2014, 1:26 pm

I think David Moyes sums up our problems brilliantly here in his review of the match

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/david-moyes-reviews-manchester-united-s-win-against-everton-023740358.html
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Post  Barry Horne's Equaliser on Tue 07 Oct 2014, 1:47 pm

Sack the Juggler wrote:I think David Moyes sums up our problems brilliantly here in his review of the match

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/david-moyes-reviews-manchester-united-s-win-against-everton-023740358.html

lol! Love the comments underneath. It would seem that about half of the readers actually believe that Moyes wrote it.

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Post  Hinchcliffe Corner on Tue 07 Oct 2014, 2:08 pm

Sack the Juggler wrote:I think David Moyes sums up our problems brilliantly here in his review of the match

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/david-moyes-reviews-manchester-united-s-win-against-everton-023740358.html

"Who needs two outer pockets on one side of their jacket? Does he think he's a train conductor? It's just weird and unnatural. The players know this, the fans know this, and until he gets himself a proper jacket with the correct number of pockets, he will continue to drive this proud club into the ground. Consider this an intervention, Roberto."


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