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Post  Da Judge on Sun 15 Oct 2017, 7:17 pm

Sack the Juggler wrote:
Super wrote:
it wasn't Martinez's start that was the problem, his first season was great, it was the end of his tenure that was the problem, even with Lukaku we were losing.

Let's give Koeman and his team time to get it right.

THIS!!!!

45 League games covers Martinez's best period compared to Koeman's first season - not too bad and the toughest opening set of fixtures I can ever recall.. its a comparison so exotic (thus inaccurate) as papaya versus cumquats
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Post  Gravy & Chips on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 12:59 pm

Exactly Da Judge

Martinez took over an established top 7 side and continued it on.

Koeman took over a side bereft of any hope and has tried to turn around the slide.

He did that first season and got us back into Europe, we have just had a shittiest run of games that I can remember.

Reading the notes to the run up to Sunday, Brighton had apparently won every home game, cup included. after the first game of the season so is a draw that bad? (probably)

I'm not a fan of Koeman, but that stat is fucking pointless
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Post  hairy cataract on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 1:17 pm

Gravy & Chips wrote:Exactly Da Judge

Martinez took over an established top 7 side and continued it on.

Koeman took over a side bereft of any hope and has tried to turn around the slide.

He did that first season and got us back into Europe, we have just had a shittiest run of games that I can remember.

Reading the notes to the run up to Sunday, Brighton had apparently won every home game, cup included. after the first game of the season so is a draw that bad? (probably)

I'm not a fan of Koeman, but that stat is fucking pointless

But we were absolutely dreadful on Sunday. Half Koeman's signings can't get in the team, some can't even get on the bench. From my perspective, I can't even look at the way we played on Sunday and say "ah we just need time to gel" or something, we were so toothless and ponderous.

Koeman does appear to have no idea how to turn this around, and the players look like they are losing belief in him (and themselves) to me. I can't see any way forward except a new broom and a complete reorganization of the resources we have to try to pick up some points before we sink into the bottom three, crash out of Europe and the league cup, and become a lifeless corpse of a team.

I would be happy to see him gone today.
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Post  Blue gazza on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 4:33 pm

hairy cataract wrote:
Gravy & Chips wrote:Exactly Da Judge

Martinez took over an established top 7 side and continued it on.

Koeman took over a side bereft of any hope and has tried to turn around the slide.

He did that first season and got us back into Europe, we have just had a shittiest run of games that I can remember.

Reading the notes to the run up to Sunday, Brighton had apparently won every home game, cup included. after the first game of the season so is a draw that bad? (probably)

I'm not a fan of Koeman, but that stat is fucking pointless

But we were absolutely dreadful on Sunday.  Half Koeman's signings can't get in the team, some can't even get on the bench.  From my perspective, I can't even look at the way we played on Sunday and say "ah we just need time to gel" or something, we were so toothless and ponderous.

Koeman does appear to have no idea how to turn this around, and the players look like they are losing belief in him (and themselves) to me. I can't see any way forward except a new broom and a complete reorganization of the resources we have to try to pick up some points before we sink into the bottom three, crash out of Europe and the league cup, and become a lifeless corpse of a team.

I would be happy to see him gone today.
100% agree, i think it's inevitable
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Post  SouthernSmugToffee on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 4:47 pm

Blue gazza wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:
Gravy & Chips wrote:Exactly Da Judge

Martinez took over an established top 7 side and continued it on.

Koeman took over a side bereft of any hope and has tried to turn around the slide.

He did that first season and got us back into Europe, we have just had a shittiest run of games that I can remember.

Reading the notes to the run up to Sunday, Brighton had apparently won every home game, cup included. after the first game of the season so is a draw that bad? (probably)

I'm not a fan of Koeman, but that stat is fucking pointless

But we were absolutely dreadful on Sunday.  Half Koeman's signings can't get in the team, some can't even get on the bench.  From my perspective, I can't even look at the way we played on Sunday and say "ah we just need time to gel" or something, we were so toothless and ponderous.

Koeman does appear to have no idea how to turn this around, and the players look like they are losing belief in him (and themselves) to me. I can't see any way forward except a new broom and a complete reorganization of the resources we have to try to pick up some points before we sink into the bottom three, crash out of Europe and the league cup, and become a lifeless corpse of a team.

I would be happy to see him gone today.
100% agree, i think it's inevitable

Fat Sam could knock the team into shape and maybe stop us losing.
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Post  Made 4 Gwladys on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 4:52 pm

SouthernSmugToffee wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:
Gravy & Chips wrote:Exactly Da Judge

Martinez took over an established top 7 side and continued it on.

Koeman took over a side bereft of any hope and has tried to turn around the slide.

He did that first season and got us back into Europe, we have just had a shittiest run of games that I can remember.

Reading the notes to the run up to Sunday, Brighton had apparently won every home game, cup included. after the first game of the season so is a draw that bad? (probably)

I'm not a fan of Koeman, but that stat is fucking pointless

But we were absolutely dreadful on Sunday.  Half Koeman's signings can't get in the team, some can't even get on the bench.  From my perspective, I can't even look at the way we played on Sunday and say "ah we just need time to gel" or something, we were so toothless and ponderous.

Koeman does appear to have no idea how to turn this around, and the players look like they are losing belief in him (and themselves) to me. I can't see any way forward except a new broom and a complete reorganization of the resources we have to try to pick up some points before we sink into the bottom three, crash out of Europe and the league cup, and become a lifeless corpse of a team.

I would be happy to see him gone today.
100% agree, i think it's inevitable

Fat Sam could knock the team into shape and maybe stop us losing.
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Post  RhinoJagz on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 5:46 pm

The main worry for me is the contant chopping and changing of formations and personal on a game by game basis with the vain hope that he might stumble across a winning formula. There doesnt seem a plan or pattern of play and I cant see this changing before January along as we have no imposing figure up front. Basically we are going to waste half a season due to a pretty monumental fuck between Walsh, Koeman and the board. A new manager may give the players a short term bounce but cant really see any dramatic upturn in fortunes as the new manager will have to work with the same problems.

A very dissapointing state of affairs.

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Post  Sack the Juggler on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 6:25 pm

Did I mention this would be a transition season?
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Post  hairy cataract on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 7:39 pm

Sack him. Appoint someone else. Anyone else. I mean, it's only football management, how hard can it be? Every single member of Toffeeweb appears to be more than capable of selecting the team, deciding the tactics, making substitutions, buying the players, coaching the squad, devising the pre-match menu, designing and building the new stadium, and handwashing the kit. Give one of them the job.
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Post  hairy cataract on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 7:48 pm

meanwhile... Odds on next Everton manager - according to SkyBet

Carlo Ancelotti - 4/1
David Unsworth - 6/1
Paulo Fonseca - 8/1
Rafael Benitez - 10/1
Sam Allardyce - 10/1
Eddie Howe - 10/1
Sean Dyche - 12/1
Chris Coleman - 12/1

I'm surprised Coleman isn't shorter odds actually. In fact, I would have thought you could turn that list upside down.
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Post  Armchair on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 10:15 pm

hairy cataract wrote:meanwhile... Odds on next Everton manager - according to SkyBet

Carlo Ancelotti - 4/1
David Unsworth - 6/1
Paulo Fonseca - 8/1
Rafael Benitez - 10/1
Sam Allardyce - 10/1
Eddie Howe - 10/1
Sean Dyche - 12/1
Chris Coleman - 12/1

I'm surprised Coleman isn't shorter odds actually.  In fact, I would have thought you could turn that list upside down.

Ancelotti would be great. As for the rest...I'd rather stick with Koeman.
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Post  Blue gazza on Mon 16 Oct 2017, 11:53 pm

Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
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Post  Sack the Juggler on Tue 17 Oct 2017, 9:23 am

Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so. If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.
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Post  hairy cataract on Tue 17 Oct 2017, 9:37 am

Sack the Juggler wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so.  If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.

But apart from that, you reckon he'd be okay for us?
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Post  Statman on Tue 17 Oct 2017, 10:32 am

hairy cataract wrote:
Sack the Juggler wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so.  If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.

But apart from that, you reckon he'd be okay for us?

I noticed that he started warming to the idea towards the end.
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Post  Made 4 Gwladys on Tue 17 Oct 2017, 10:59 am

Statman wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:
Sack the Juggler wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so.  If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.

But apart from that, you reckon he'd be okay for us?

I noticed that he started warming to the idea towards the end.
but on the plus side, he could serve Uwie his lunch in the Dixie Dean suite Very Happy .. he has proven form in that role
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Post  Blue gazza on Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:11 am

Sack the Juggler wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so.  If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.

so, you agree with me then lol! lol!
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Post  Sack the Juggler on Tue 17 Oct 2017, 11:56 am

Glad to see you all agree with me about "Agent Rafa" lol! lol! lol!
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Post  Da Judge on Tue 17 Oct 2017, 5:42 pm

Sack the Juggler wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so.  If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.

Little known fact is that he was actually despised by quite a number of the playing staff. He is the Donald Trump of managers - manages to the base (supporters) and failed to really connect to the real power (players) just like Trump and his forays with the Senate and the House. Played on the fact he won the European Cup - albeit with Houllier's ground work.... and shat all over Roy Evans
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Re: Ronald Koeman - (cheated England out of 1994 world cup)

Post  hairy cataract on Tue 17 Oct 2017, 6:53 pm

Da Judge wrote:
Sack the Juggler wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so.  If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.

Little known fact is that he was actually despised by quite a number of the playing staff. He is the Donald Trump of managers - manages to the base (supporters) and failed to really connect to the real power (players) just like Trump and his forays with the Senate and the House. Played on the fact he won the European Cup - albeit with Houllier's ground work.... and shat all over Roy Evans

ok, ok, fine, no to Rafa then. How about King Kenny? rendeer jocolor
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Post  sefton on Wed 18 Oct 2017, 12:34 pm

hairy cataract wrote:
Da Judge wrote:
Sack the Juggler wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so.  If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.

Little known fact is that he was actually despised by quite a number of the playing staff. He is the Donald Trump of managers - manages to the base (supporters) and failed to really connect to the real power (players) just like Trump and his forays with the Senate and the House. Played on the fact he won the European Cup - albeit with Houllier's ground work.... and shat all over Roy Evans

ok, ok, fine, no to Rafa then.  How about King Kenny? rendeer jocolor

Koeman won't play him at Right-back,Why? I don't know.Laughing cheers
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Post  Statman on Wed 18 Oct 2017, 1:41 pm

hairy cataract wrote:
Da Judge wrote:
Sack the Juggler wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so.  If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.

Little known fact is that he was actually despised by quite a number of the playing staff. He is the Donald Trump of managers - manages to the base (supporters) and failed to really connect to the real power (players) just like Trump and his forays with the Senate and the House. Played on the fact he won the European Cup - albeit with Houllier's ground work.... and shat all over Roy Evans

ok, ok, fine, no to Rafa then.  How about King Kenny? rendeer jocolor

Have you got a T-shirt business that we don't know about?
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Re: Ronald Koeman - (cheated England out of 1994 world cup)

Post  Armchair on Wed 18 Oct 2017, 7:13 pm

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/4167042

Manager Ronald Koeman says he has the "total support" of the Everton board, despite a poor start to the season.

He'll be gone after tomorrow's game then.
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Post  sefton on Thu 19 Oct 2017, 10:25 am

Statman wrote:
hairy cataract wrote:
Sack the Juggler wrote:
Blue gazza wrote:Prob gonna get shot down for this, but I would take Benitez, I know his comments in the past, but he knows the prem and tactically astute.
he is not good enough, may as well get Sam Allardyce if you want someone who knows the prem and is tactically astute.

And there are too many problems with Benitez anyway;

- he managed that lot across the park
- he disrespected our club
- we would be ribbed mercilessly by their deluded fans who still adore him
(for the above alone it would be difficult for the fans or the backroom staff to get behind him)

- he hasn't got the temperament for a big club; washes too much of the clubs dirty linen in public, cracks under pressure (fachts!), which would further alienate him from the fans / board
- he would only see us as a stepping stone, so if he did show a modicum of success he would be off to a "bigger" club quicker than a rata up a desague
- he bought crap whilst he was at the shyte and sold their best players to fund it

all in all, no-one in the club is going to risk offering him the role, there is just no upside in doing so.  If he came in it would tear the club apart, inside and out, even if he managed to get us winning again, no-one likes him.

But apart from that, you reckon he'd be okay for us?

I noticed that he started warming to the idea towards the end.


http://toffeenews.com/rafa-benitez-snubs-approach-from-everton-to-replace-beleaguered-toffees-boss-ronald-koeman/

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Post  The President on Fri 20 Oct 2017, 8:39 am

Is he still here? scratch
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